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You've probably heard the controversay. President-elect Obama has invited fundy preacher Rick Warren to give the inaugural invocation. Many gays are appalled at obama's choice of Warren.

Here's a good article from Time Magazine:



What do you think? Was Warren a good choice or a poor one?

Warren is just another blow hard and no matter who Obama chose to pray at his Inauguration would be griped about by those that didn't agree with him or her...it's all silly anyway...do people really think that God has to be goosed to pay attention or what...or that who ever gets up and spouts off means any thing besides a boost to ego of the the little twit.

The human race is doomed to stumble around in the dark until religion goes the way of the dodo.

Well I'm appalled and I'm not gay.

Obama is just trying to be Obama......he obviously thinks that it's bigotry to call a bigot a bigot.......and he doesn't want to be a bigot

I recall that a lot of people here used to say that I was a bigot for calling them what they were.....and tagging them for what they were--evil.

Obama, too.....would condemn me for such behavior.

But he's the one who deserves condemnation.

Pax!

Haveing a prayer at all is is a bunch of cods wallop in the first place and only done to placate the religious in the first place...it doesn't mean anything and no body pays any attention anyway...it's all for show.

Trying to suck up to the religious right is a waste of time because of his stance on right to chose so why bother...they will never embrace him.

The only way he can pull off fixing this country is to ignore what people think and doing what he knows to be the right thing to do...damn the torpedo's full speed ahead and get rid of adviser's that tell him how to straddle the fence and try and keep everyone happy cause it ain't gona happen.

Forget the politics of getting re-elected and do the job,and let his accomplishments speak for themselves in 2012.

I can’t stand Rick Warren, his smugness combined with his false modesty are pretty sickening. I can’t see why people don’t see through him.
Obama could have had Jimmy Carter say a few words – a guy actually doing some good in the world.

.Sola

I'm with you there are any number of people out there and as far as Warren goes he is like all of them as far as I'm concerned...as Clint said one time "he's a legend in his own mind"...as are the rest,pumped up on their own self-importance but as with Falwell...when they die or get caught with their pants down,their followers just go tisk,tisk,srug their shoulders and say " O.K. who's next".

Whenever someone tries to defend their prejudice against a particular group by saying:

1. Some of my best friends are ________

2. Why just the other night one of my ______ friends said " ".

3. I know many fine _______ people

my stomach turns and I know I am in the presence of a BIGOT.

Warren is chief among them. He is even so callous as to think he is NOT???

Virginia, hurray for your comment. I agree. Warren may support funding for AIDS, but he's still a bigot. The very worst bigots usually revert to comparing gay marriage with incest and pedophilia.

I am disappointed in Obama for giving Warren a platform on this very important day in history. I understand why the gays who supported Obama feel betrayed, and I think it was a wrong decision on his part.

I agree, Sola, Jimmy Carter would have been a far better choice.

I know many fine Neanderthals.

Some of my best friends are BrainDeadical FundaGelical James Dobsical Christians.

Why, just the other night one of them said something stupid and we all had such a good laugh.

If Obama is trying to keep his enemies closer will his strategy work? I think he should have chosen a person of no religion, another senator or his brother or some other person. Instead, Warren represents the Right Wing and of which was slapped down by voters who elected Obama for change, and were sick and tired of hearing the Right Wing hypocritical BS.

Carter wasn't politically correct enough since his speaking out against Israeli's brutality against Palestinians.

Jerimiah Wright certainly wasn't good enough since his outspoken truth sent the biblical message "God damn America". Warren wants notoriety so he won't go there. He'll just cover his butt in a soft-spoken hatred, smile a lot and grow fatter than he is now.

But these things too shall pass. And Warren will be wanting more cooperation from Obama. Like a firm stand against same sex marriage and laws enforcing prohibition.

Isn't that what the Christian Right and Warren are after, laws that push homosexuals out of sight and out of mind? The offensiveness of the homosexual to the CR's mind is more than they can bear, evidently.

Hi Virginia. It's more that Warren thinks he's a sly dog, that people outside his religious clan cannot see through his veneer of hate. This is why I think it's important that people put Warren in his place, inside his church atmosphere where hate is mandatory to his religion. His religion commands him to keep homosexuals out of his church, but Warren like other evangelicals has overstepped his boundary. The world outside his church, he has no authority to speak against. Until people start using the bible to push Warren and his cohorts back inside their domain of confined ideology, then everyone else will suffer from their religious "bigotry". Separation of Warren from State is a must , but cannot be enforced until people read and understand commands of doctrine established for the church[Christianity] alone.

Christians, as Jews, are bigoted, and their God demands that they hate and keep the evil people out of their churches. God commands that homosexuals be killed, but this command was to Israelites in their own enviroment, not outside in the world. Hatred was confined to their own people. Understanding the boundaries of religious authority is important for everyone to learn, for there is a protection of the innocent who is outside the priemeters of the church, in the world. Understanding the reasons behind such ancient commands of law and Christian ignorance of those laws means that Christians must be educated and learn their boundary established by their god for them alone. And since the Christians will not acknowledge these things as truth for them, it is up to everyone else to force them to read and obey what their god has given them as to their place in the world. The kingdom of Christ is not the kingdom of the world. There is a division, a line drawn upon the earth, so that one who choses to live in Christ should attend to his own church business, its membership and have no concern outside that domain. For the world can take care of itself.

But there is more to this division of Christ kingdom[church] than educating the Christians. The gays also need to understand how and why ancient laws are against them. Some evidently believe in the biblical God and think to override his commandments. They need to understand that God does not love everyone, for it is written what he hates and why he wants his people to kill for him. And gays are not considered his people. (neither are uncircumcised, lawless Gentiles)

If we are to understand anything, it is how Jewish people were raised in bigotry and hate, taught to forever be against all non-Jewish people. At the beginning of their nation parts of that ideology is loyalty for a reason of unity for survival, name and place of recognition among other nations. They were spearate[independent] from Egypt and Assyria, their laws against homosexuality ensured the reproduction of children and children were valued for their future worth as armed soldiers. "Men of valor", who could kill without the stain of blood on their hands, for they were deemed guiltless of murder when killing for their god as he commanded them to do.

The right wingers ignore the true evil in the world...which is them in some cases...and rail against those that would like very much to just be accepted as fellow citizens and human beings and would like to just be left alone to live their lives as they see fit...not what religious wacky doodles see fit.

With no imagined evil to rail against they would fade away which will happen some day...sooner the better.

Someone once said that a wise man packs his friends around him like sardines. His enemies, left alone, will eventually exterminate themselves.

How they exterminate themselves is interesting to watch. When they don't get attention and support from the wise, they falter in their self interest, they lose bearing and have no place to pump their evil intent because the wise are ignoring them. They then face the fact that they're not getting anywhere and are left alone, with a choice of becoming wise themselves or evaporating into thin air, their self made anger taken out with them.

Warren makes a nice sly and deceptive speech in his "loving" everybody, including the Muslims. But I noticed he didn't flinch when Obama said he would kill Muslims for Israel. Warren told his story of accumulated wealth and how god told him to help AIDS victims in Africa. (Africa is the favorite benefit of evangelicals because it's a safer place to claim their own efforts are helping). However, in order for Warren or any other evangelical multi-billionairs to impress me, I would like to see their do-good efforts in Iraq, Iran, and other places where Islam outweighs Christianity as the religious tradition. I would like to see his "love" tested, for if it were geniune he would have no problem in other people's worship and be more concerned with actually building bridges to peace in the world. When talking about Africa he spoke of the many Christian churches made of tents and small villages of Christians, and post offices which made internet access to his program available. (Called PIT stops - "Providers of Internet Technologies" or something along that line.) This type thing is from Christian proseltyzing. True love for other people would not need to promote ones religion, imo. People would show goodness and mercy to others without expecting them to change their religion or cater to its many preachers.

How many evangelicals would be willing to do that?