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"but to believe there is some vast consporacy directing and coordinating the fnancial and political course for the world is beyone belief."

For you maybe. However, the conspiracy is out in the open and the political course of action is as Bush Sr. stated numerous times, "a new world order". What do you think this includes MB? You do listen to what politicians say, don't you? What does the Bush ideology have in its new world order thinking? Maybe controling the world's economy and thereby all financial elements relating to that control?

I don't know what Bush and his super rich friends are up to but there's no way I would believe they have ordinary working citizens as their interest. I think their interest is to keep themselves superrich and powerful and if starting wars and busting the American economy is a ways and means to use, then imo they will do whatever they want as Dubya has already shown they will. In the New World Order of things Dubya declared he was THE Decider. The term "New World Order" was used many times in press conferences Dubya and his daddy gave. Not many paid attention to the implications being disclosed.

The Bush's are religiously dominionist. They are also believers in reconstructionist doctrine where punishments are enforced. The American people have a nooze around their necks and the Bush's are tightening its cord. This will protect the super rich Bush's and their ability to silence any objectors to their own freedom to do whatever the hell they want to do inside the U.S. and throughout the world.

Why do you think it is that Americans are being manipulated into loving war and death?

I think I agree with you.

Ros, I don't know how much you understand about global economics, global financial systems, global law enforcement, or global law (i.e. treaties), so I'm not sure how to respond. If you know more about them than you read in the paper, or on the Internet, or see on television, you should realize that even if it could be organized, the chances of a multi-national, multi-family, multi-generational conspiracy being effective, much less able to hold together for more than a short period of time, is about as likely as the Cubs winning the World Series. Seriously, there are simply too many variables to be controlled and coordinated.

When did you put any credence to what George Bush, Sr. has to say, anyway? Isn't he one of those lying, deceptive "Repugnuts" you rail against so passionately? How do you decide what to believe and what to discard? Your thinking seems to be completely ruled by your biases and prejudices. You can't seem to step beyond these boundaries in your thinking.


Every President says he is "THE Decider," about something, Ros. Even President Obama has made that claim. The thing is that *you* choose to believe what you choose to believe based on your opinion about certain policies or situations without any facts upon which to base your opinions.

In other words, you see something you don't like, but you can't figure out why it could be that way (or you don't like the conventional wisdom about the situation), so the only solution you can come up with is that there must be something going on in secret that is being kept from you and the general public. As a result you (and others like you) start looking for hidden meanings behind every word spoken or action taken by those who you deem to be involved with the conspiracy. It's really a very old tale, Ros. This kind of thinking has been going on for thousands of years.


This is really the crux of your angst, isn't it? You don't agree with someone's religious beliefs and therefore you deem them incapable of taking any action that doesn't somehow tie back to *your* understanding of their beliefs. It all boils down to this: You don't trust anyone who isn't you. (And I think you trust yourself too much.)


Let's keep this at a high level, shall we? I believe the laws and policies of the Federal government and actions taken to implement those laws and polices take a natural course. Many times the courses of these policies have unforeseen and unintended consequences. That's not manipulation, that's life.

MB, your analysis of my opinion, especially about the Bush's is less than intelligent. It's downright laughable. After eight years of THE Decider and his ineptness, his having others of his cabal run this country into bankruptcy and needless war, all for their self-interest, you are remarkably the biggest denier of facts I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

Instead of looking at Bush's New World Order and its consequences, you're trying to psycho-analyize me. The proof is already evidenced in the admission of the Bush's, both father and son. Both have admitted they wanted to control other countries, and for their own self interest, while in pretense of protecting and benefiting Americas citizens. The NWO IS a dominionist and reconstructionist endeavor and using religion as its battle ax. Else it wouldn't go over as well as it has. Bush finally admitted "this is a religious war", knowing that Christians have determined that Muslims are evildoer humans. It doesn't matter to you that the first Bush declared victory over Saddam and Iraq, and not any longer a threat to the world. The religious faction was not satisfied and it wanted more blood and so the Bush's saw their opportunity to use that thirst for blood for their own self interest.

I didn't write this stuff, the Bush's felt safe enough to admit their murderous intent and they manipulated the Christian element specifically to act on their behalf. Politics has always been a manipulative monster but Bush's using the bible, scare tactics of end times, Jesus returning, Babylon the Great, the evildoer Muslims, pre-emptive war, and more, turned the political arm of power in self-interest of the rich and famous con-trollers of the economy. If you noticed MB, all the other countries were forced to fall in behind this NWO. But they've now realized how they've been used and abused.

Every president has not declared himself THE Decider. Only the super rich little turd from Texas has put that identity on his collar. He was vulgar enough to boast of his power but didn't realize that the Right Wing war mongering Christians can't accomplish true dominance. But, however, they try much to the tears and anguish of innocent people. And "THE Decider" will be his legacy and cursed name. So, your excuse in sidetracking what the Bush's have already conspired to and now completed their part in the plan, for there are other super rich Repugnut politicians, who like the Bush's believe in their self interest in a dominionist reconstructionist ideology. Others like the Bush's who are more than eager to have gullable sons and daughters volunteer and die for the Bush's NWO.

How do I understand global economics? Not by one nations power and control via military force. Global economics is now totally an interdependent machine, meaning that all countries are now forced to work together in trading resources. Only those super rich, like the Bush's, are in fear of losing a good percentage of of their stolen wealth are propagandizing against global interest. Do you understand global interest MB? Global interest means that the Bush's cannot always dominate and reconstruct things their way. We are seeing this today. The Bush's may desire a NWO and have gullable people die for it, but eventually the Bush's will be brought to their knees. Of course you probably aren't seeing how global interest works because you're under the false impression that the U.S. is the greatest nation on earth.

Oh MB, you're not ever sure how to respond because you're mindlessly in a state of denial or bliss. I'm not sure where your brain is on any subject as all you want to do is attack the person and not the topic.

Me biased? Hell yeah! I don't support needless war and death to keep the Bush's in their self interested NWO.

Try to stick to the subject MB. It's all about the Federal Reserve Bunk.

I stand by what I said, Ros. You're free to call it like you see it and you have. Good for you.

Whatever. In the meantime the Bush's have discovered that their NWO is a flop as they are and will be forced to interact with other worldwide foreign interests of foreign politicians for their own people. Which will benefit Americans but will decrease the wealth of the Bush's thevery. And that's a good thing.

I thought we were talking about the Federal Reserve. Boy did I ever miss that left turn we apparently made onto Bush Avenue. I thought that street had been closed already.

Bush's will forever be a damnable part of my being. And if that little Texas turd ever sets foot in Iraq or Iran, I hope they arrest him on war crimes and carry out the appropriate sentencing - death.

That's fine, but do you have to drag him into every conversation? First it was the Jews and now it's George Bush. Broaden your horizons a little.

First it was the Jews? I'm not the one holding to the belief that "the Jews" are supernatural people that God instantly created and planted in the middle east. Idol worship is your thrill not mine. And Dubya is your hero not mine.

I bet you even carry a photo of your hero in your billfold as a conversation starter. THAT's really desperation. Why not just carry your guitar and play an introductory song? I bet some people would even throw money at you.

Ya know MB, You've made me realize that I'm one able "bitch" that you don't want to mess with. I've caught on to what you're up to and you know it and you fear me. That's why you pretend to pull psychoanalytical BS out your behind all the time. In fact, I think you have the runs. You can't even make any reasonable argument in politics or religion, and whatever else you try to sneak into discussions in your weird way.

Oh, and did I mention? I think its obvious that you hate women. And did I mention? I really don't give a crap.

Have you thought of writing a book for the psychiatric field of study? I'm sure you could keep them in study for years and years to come. Dr. Phil might even invite you as a guest on his show.

Now are you satisfied? I sorta like you MB, maybe, but I'm reserving complete judgment.

All the right-wingers hate women.

All of them love and defend Bush (some don't think he was right-wing ENOUGH, but they still defend him).

Most of them love the Zionists (the Nazis and KKK don't really LOVE the Jews......they just hate them less than they hate the Muslims).

MB is typical.

How right you are Logos. Consider this:



Read the complete article at: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/30/748518/-Its-ALWAYS-been-about-Sex,-NOT-the-Fetus

Even the Right Winger women hate women. It is the strangest thing. A husband owns his property and is allowed to beat his wife, "its good to keep her in her place". Women are blamed for getting the hell beat out of them because they are not to be in any way seen as overpowering their husabnd. I've seen women in the aftermath of rage against them, their eyes blackened, teeth knocked out, bald spots in their head where their hair use to be, ribs and fingers broken, belt buckle marks on their backs, buttocks and legs, even their breasts swollen from punches. And yet they return to the monster because "it's gods will" as they've been taught by their Right Wing peers. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Logos, you say I'm typical, but you seem to always base most of your opinion about me based on things that I don't say rather than what I do say. This is a typical failing of people who hold extreme views. Ros, does it too. Many ultra-conservatives I talk to do the same thing. People on far end of either spectrum tend to see everything as black or white. When somebody stakes out the middle, it drives them to invoking sterotypes.

When I see both Logos & Roslyn begin to circle the wagons, I know I'm beginning to actually get into some grey ground. But I also know that I may as well be quiet because from here on out I'm branded as a right-winger, Bush-loving, Repugnut lover of war. But in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

IF in reality nothing could be further from the truth, then you should let your standards be known. You're either for Bush and his lies, a believer in torture, needless war, etc., shown in the Right Wing camp or not. There is no "middle ground", that's a fallacy you've been brainwashed into.

There is a spectrum of intolerance, where things are indeed "black or white". For example, it makes no sense to say you can understand the evil Bush has done and yet say you are not a supporter of his policies. No excuses can be made. Pick your side and voice your opinion but don't waddle around in the middle. For one reason, no one can trust the middle in its indecision. As the Jesus character said, "lukewarm" gets you spewed out.