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Yet you probably accept more of what Romanism has given the world than what you are willing to admit.

Reincarnation was known and believed among the Jews.


You have them too, in fact, that's all you have.


So why didn't you tell me why the authors of the bible weren't just giving guesses like every one else?

Maybe. But keep in mind that the only thing the videos offer is, at best, a guess.

Well, having read the Bible a few times I can fairly well state that there is nothing about Romanism I accept. I think that comes with the territory being a Seventh-day Adventist.



Sure. But that doesn't make it fact just because "the Jews" (I prefer Hebrews) believed it. They sacrificed children to Molech and worshiped Tammuz but neither are true.



Well, that's certainly true. However I do like to think that I have provided a certain amount of evidence other than, "does too!"



Sure I did. The consistency of the 40 authors that wrote the Bible, and the depth of the subject matter is absolutely incredible. Once read with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit that Bible absolutely can be seen, viewed, studied and understood as no other book can.

You are free to infer anything you wish. Just know that John the Baptist was being compared to Elijah as prophesied in the Tanakh.



Right. And in this case the Bible, taking everything in context is not referring to John the Baptist as Elijah reincarnated but coming as it was prophesied.



Of this there can be little doubt. And yet even the HS has to be consistent with the extent, consistency and totality of the Scriptures.



Which is certainly true, after all, spiritual things are spiritually discerned.



Well, considering said scriptures never once speak of the Hellenistic "duality" of man I would have to say that, this point that you are making, for me, has no "spiritual" influence.



I suppose this might be a worthwhile exercise if I believed in the pretense of your supposition.



Why? I think the Bible is quite plain and explains itself very well.



Shabat Shaloam

Doc, let's try this......

Who are the five brothers in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man?

They are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun

The Bible itself is a Romanist document. Now Wait for it... Wait for it... THEY GAVE YOU YOUR BIBLE!



It was accepted among very orthodox groups, even today among the Hasidim.


No all you do is "it says so in the bible". THAT is not evidence.


They were hardly consistent. The bible is a complete mess front to back as evidence I submit all the myriad sects and theological interpretations, each as contradictory as the other.

No they don't. What you fail to appreciate is that the boy was two years old and he was telling stories about real verified people and real verified events that he could have no other way of knowing about other than the explanation of reincarnation.

How do you explain the fact that the two year old boy named the aircraft carrier he served on, the type of airplane he flew, the other pilots names who he flew with, the exact details of how his plane got shot down and the exact location?

I'll also have you know that his story is not an isolated freakish occurrence. There are hundreds of children all around the world who tell of previous lives. Even my own daughter used to talk about things she did; "when I was a mommy I did such and such" she used to say to me. I was a Christian fundamentalist back then so I totally missed the significance of such anomalies and dismissed them in the same manner you just did by chalking it up to an overactive imagination. Not anymore... I am thoroughly convinced of the FACT of reincarnation.

Correct! Now, what does verse 18 have to do in setting up Jesus' parable?

Well, while that may be a popular assumption the fact of the matter is that not one Romanist had anything to do with writing the Torah or Tanakh nor any of the epistles. The compilation could have only come at the direction of the HS and the Bible itself was complied long before there was a Romanist church.



Sure, I understand. Of course that only proves that people believe in error.



To some, it is certainly true that the Bible isn't evidence. That doesn't mean that it isn't.



No, that doesn't prove the Bible is a mess it proves that people fail to see the obvious truth of it and instead fall into the trap of accepting man's tradition as opposed to obvious truth that the word of God provides.

It could have been as simple as him being coached.



Coaching.



I thought I was Batman when I was 3.



Well, considering that there is no proof other than coaching, suggestion and coincidence, I'll stick with what the Bible says about what happens at death.

Job 14:10 "But when people die, they lose all strength. They breathe their last, and then where are they? Job 14:11 As water evaporates from a lake and as a river disappears in drought, Job 14:12 people lie down and do not rise again. Until the heavens are no more, they will not wake up nor be roused from their sleep. Job 14:13 "I wish you would hide me with the dead and forget me there until your anger has passed. But mark your calendar to think of me again! Job 14:14 If mortals die, can they live again? This thought would give me hope, and through my struggle I would eagerly wait for release. Job 14:15 You would call and I would answer, and you would yearn for me, your handiwork.

If you take his parent's word for it they say they did no such thing. In fact the father was a skeptic at first and wouldn't even entertain such thoughts of coaching and the mother racked her brain trying to figure out where all of this stuff was coming from. Further, the parents didn't even know anything about the stuff the boy was saying until they began to research to see if there was anything to it. So how could they coach him about stuff they didn't even know themselves? Did you even watch the videos?


Wrong... Prove that the parents did such a thing when they specifically deny any such involvement. Further, the parents didn't even know anything about the stuff the boy was saying until they began to research to see if there was anything to it. So how could they coach him about stuff they didn't even know themselves? Did you even watch the videos?


That disproves nothing and only dismisses out of hand... You have yet to deal with the substance of the claims made in the videos.


That is where you are wrong... Did you even watch the video's?
So what? I give you real verifiable evidence and you quote the bible (Your interpretation of carefully selected verses by the way).

You quoted Job:

To me that sounds like more of a denial of resurrection than it does reincarnation.

There are far to many cases of children knowing things about the lives of other people, other people living in distant places and of no relation to the childs family. Children don't speak of another persons history and get that history correct through "coaching". They can just start talking about what they know as if everyone else knows it. However, I don't know if these things could be labeled as reincarnation or just some sort of extraordinary brain development that gives these type insights.

That is where you are wrong. The cannon of the bible was kicked around for centuries by the counsels of the Catholic Church and there is good evidence that the various writings of the NT, with the exception of some of the epistles of Paul, were even written by the alleged authors. They are pseudopigraphical. It is just as likely that some Romish scholar in the second century wrote, say, the epistles of Peter, than it is that Peter had anything to do with it. Take the gospel of John for example, it is clearly a doctrinally biased writing that seeks to reinforce the Romish contention that Jesus was divine and not merely human (a second century controversy by the way).

Oh and you have it all correct and have "the TRUTH(TM)? You are just a biased hack. Go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes and sing "lah lah lah lah I cant hear you" all you want.

Yet there is no reason to believe that it is the only truth or that it is 100% accurate. I do believe it has some truth, but it doesn't corner the market and it isn't the last word.

Oh that is so easy to say, isn't it? It is so self serving and you can't even recognize it because your immortal soul depends on the accuracy of a book. How sad.