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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:31 pm 
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Clean Sword wrote:
That sounds noble, but these were not ordinary human beings, they were sadists and murderers already.
We were trying to get information from them so that they wouldn't do it again to the real innocent
human beings.

If someone had kidnapped your family, and intended to kill them, what would you do if you had captured
a person who knew where your family was, and refused to tell you?

clean'


None of the people at Gitmo were anything other than suspected because they had not been tried before a court of law. They, just like you and I, are innocent until presumed guilty and by torturing them you have shown yourself willing to torture suspected terrorists out of the fear in your hearts,

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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:44 pm 
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Jedi Mind Trick wrote:
Clean Sword wrote:
That sounds noble, but these were not ordinary human beings, they were sadists and murderers already.
Not ordinary human beings? Christians are in conflict with the very words of Jesus "If someone hits you on the cheek...etc." and "Love your enemies... etc." There is no "but if" in those commands.



These people were murderers. They had plans to murder again. What would
you have a christian do; say "I forgive you" or "I love you" as they flew a plane into another building?
What if your son or daughter was in that building? Wouldn't you want to know what the terrorists had planned to do next?

The people who were killed on 9/11 were someone's daughter, son, wife or husband.
Many were injured and are still suffering from their injuries. Do you think that it's torture
to see a 747 flying straight at you, and there is nothing
that you can do about it?

Three people were waterboarded. If the people in the building had a choice, I think that they would rather be
waterboarded than to be incinerated by crazies in an airplane.
Eight years later, we have people saying we shouldn't have done that.

But, some of those people may not be alive to complain today if we hadn't waterboarded.

War is horrible and things are done at the time that are second guessed years later.
General George Patton said, "We don't send men into combat to die for their country. We
send them into combat to make the enemy die for theirs."

Yes, I would waterboard a thousand terrorists to save the life of one innocent person.

clean'

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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:21 am 
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Clean Sword wrote:
Jedi Mind Trick wrote:
Clean Sword wrote:
That sounds noble, but these were not ordinary human beings, they were sadists and murderers already.
Not ordinary human beings? Christians are in conflict with the very words of Jesus "If someone hits you on the cheek...etc." and "Love your enemies... etc." There is no "but if" in those commands.



These people were murderers. They had plans to murder again. What would
you have a christian do; say "I forgive you" or "I love you" as they flew a plane into another building?
What if your son or daughter was in that building? Wouldn't you want to know what the terrorists had planned to do next?

The people who were killed on 9/11 were someone's daughter, son, wife or husband.
Many were injured and are still suffering from their injuries. Do you think that it's torture
to see a 747 flying straight at you, and there is nothing
that you can do about it?

Three people were waterboarded. If the people in the building had a choice, I think that they would rather be
waterboarded than to be incinerated by crazies in an airplane.
Eight years later, we have people saying we shouldn't have done that.

But, some of those people may not be alive to complain today if we hadn't waterboarded.

War is horrible and things are done at the time that are second guessed years later.
General George Patton said, "We don't send men into combat to die for their country. We
send them into combat to make the enemy die for theirs."

Yes, I would waterboard a thousand terrorists to save the life of one innocent person.

clean'



So, you would torture a suspect merely because he is a Muslim. Just because you think he is a threat and without any evidence of his intentions whatsoever. Your warped mind doesn't need evidence. We understand where you're coming from CS. Your bravado and sadist mentality wants to do physical harm to a Muslim. How would you do it? Break his bones? Gouge out his eyes? Cut off his fingers? Break his back, ribs, arms, legs? How much cruelty would you inflict in order to satisfy your hate against an innocent Muslim?

I can see that you've exchanged your Christ doctrine of love for the Bush doctrine of hate and death. Would you be satisfied with crippling one innocent Muslim or how many would satisfy your sadistic lust?


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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:07 am 
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Clean Sword wrote:
Yes, I would waterboard a thousand terrorists to save the life of one innocent person.

clean'
I repeat... It tells you a lot about a person to see which parts of the bible they keep and which ones they ignore.


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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:51 am 
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I can see that you've exchanged your Christ doctrine of love for the Bush doctrine of hate and death.


Interesting notion, but wrong.

Christ never had any doctrine of love.......Jesus DID.....but "Christ" was a mythical character invented by Saul/Paul.

Jesus was non-violent and never wanted any Crusades......but the mythical "Christ" did. He could hardly wait to invade Palestine and kill Muslims.

His is a religion of theft, murder, rape, tyranny and torture.

Pax!
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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
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Logos, you conviently left out the fact that these "innocent" muslims murdered over three thousand
Americans.

How do you know that the CIA had no evidence? The evidence that they did have was enough to
force a terrorist to give up his knowledge of a second attack on the real innocent people.

I did not say anything about breaking bones, etc....The CIA didn't break any bones or gauge out any
eyes either. They waterboarded three terrorists. That's it. For eight years there was not another
attack on the United States.

Logos you are a terrorist sympathizing, America hating, mentally deranged sicko.

You fit pretty well in the present Administration. Maybe, they will make you their poster boy.

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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:24 pm 
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Three thousand people got killed?

That happens in war.

That's nothing compared to the number of Muslim casualties.......it's a war America asked for.......so you Fascists should be working for peace rather than whining.

Apologize, make amends, end support of Zionists--these would be intelligent actions.

Pax!
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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:13 pm 
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"How do you know the CIA had no evidence?"

They've admitted they had no evidence. Bush wanted a war, it was his war based on his lies. Of course Cheney was there to add to the lies, as well as Condi Rice and Powel. You bought into his deranged sadistic plan. And you are still willing to torture innocent people knowing innocent people's lives are at stake.

How many abortions did Bush perform in order to get rid of his constructed "evildoers"? Bush is a sadist who gets sexual satisfaction every time he thinks about savagery and torture. Its part of his sick deranged character, from his gene-pool. The whole family of Bush's are sick and crazy characters.

You said you supported torture, so you should be able to tell us how you would damage a human body. Don't be shy now. You're in to deep.


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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:57 pm 
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The Real Logos wrote:
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I can see that you've exchanged your Christ doctrine of love for the Bush doctrine of hate and death.


Interesting notion, but wrong.

Christ never had any doctrine of love.......Jesus DID.....but "Christ" was a mythical character invented by Saul/Paul.

Jesus was non-violent and never wanted any Crusades......but the mythical "Christ" did. He could hardly wait to invade Palestine and kill Muslims.

His is a religion of theft, murder, rape, tyranny and torture.

Pax!
8-)


I was merely reminding him of his Christian belief.

Jesus was an invented character for a passion play. The conspiracy of Paul sold the hoax to uneducated Gentiles who had no learning in Jewish tradition and Jewish laws. Whoever "Paul" was that wrote the hoax will never be known.


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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:34 pm 
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The Real Logos wrote:
Three thousand people got killed?

That happens in war.

That's nothing compared to the number of Muslim casualties.......it's a war America asked for.......so you Fascists should be working for peace rather than whining.

Apologize, make amends, end support of Zionists--these would be intelligent actions.

Pax!
8-)



The terrorists were at war with America...but thanks to Clinton, America wasn't at war
with the terrorists. The Bombing in Lebanon, the attack on the Cole, the original attack
on the Twin towers were not enough for Clinton. How many more attacks would we have
had to endure before we realized that the terrorists didn't
like us? Any one of those attacks would have been considered an act of war against
the United States.

You want peace with the terrorists by apologizing and making amends? You see how well that worked out.

clean'

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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:00 pm 
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Clinton was a great supporter of the Zionists.

Now his wife is a great supporter of the Zionists.

Obama's chief confidante, Rahm Emmanel is a Zionist.

America started the war many, many years ago......and found that the patience of the Muslims was limited.

Now, Fascists like you......(slow learners) think that increasing the oppression, the murder, the torture, the tyranny, the theft of land, the genocide.......is the solution. They send cowardly drone aircraft to murder innocent babies in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Another mistake......piled on many other previous mistakes.

Watch and learn.

Pax!
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 Post subject: Re: Questioning Terrorists - With Compassion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:33 pm 
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Clean Sword wrote:
The Real Logos wrote:
Three thousand people got killed?

That happens in war.

That's nothing compared to the number of Muslim casualties.......it's a war America asked for.......so you Fascists should be working for peace rather than whining.

Apologize, make amends, end support of Zionists--these would be intelligent actions.

Pax!
8-)



The terrorists were at war with America...but thanks to Clinton, America wasn't at war
with the terrorists. The Bombing in Lebanon, the attack on the Cole, the original attack
on the Twin towers were not enough for Clinton. How many more attacks would we have
had to endure before we realized that the terrorists didn't
like us? Any one of those attacks would have been considered an act of war against
the United States.

You want peace with the terrorists by apologizing and making amends? You see how well that worked out.

clean'



You forgot to mention the Israeli's terrorist attack on the USS Liberty, and how Israel planned to blame Egypt and how that little incedent was covered-up for over 30 years. What do you think about Israel committing this act of war against the U.S.? Can Israel be trusted not to use her nuclear warheads against America in the future? How does Israel's religion play against the U.S. security interest? If you're going to call people terrorists and give examples, then always make sure to include your favorite nation Israel.


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