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 Post subject: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:45 pm 
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This is from www.whitehouse.gov
Click on "the agenda" and then "civil rights"

From there"
"Combat Employment Discrimination: President Obama and Vice President Biden will work to overturn the Supreme Court's recent ruling that curtails racial minorities' and women's ability to challenge pay discrimination. They will also pass the Fair Pay Act, to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work, and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."

Please notice the words: "gender identity or expression".

Hey......that's me.......

Those words have never appeared on a government website other than "corrections".

Obama promised this and is following thru.

I am so proud of our nation for electing him.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:23 am 
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Hurray! I hope President Obama is successful.........it's about time these inequalities were addressed.

Hope you're doing well, Virginia!

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:56 pm 
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No one should be treated as second-class citizens. But how will the Right Wing disguise their hatred for these in their hiring practices? The more affluent Right Wingers will still hire according to their standards, imo. If a person doesn't fit into their "right kind of family" they won't be hired. People from poor families have always been discriminated by the "more righteous". Controling the "kind" of people who get jobs in the work force, not only in the workable world but in the political world as well. Why else is there still background checks? And questions about one's religion?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:06 pm 
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Question: When a church organization advertises computer technology to the public in offering themselves as website builders, etc., do they have a right to refuse anyone? If a physician advertises to the public does he have a right to refuse anyone treatment?

There are so many ways religion can get around the anti-discrimination act. "Conscience" is the current excuse for discrimination. "We don't hire non-Christians". "We are a Christian business". But these want the public to purchase things from them.

According to "conscience", even a resturant claiming it's "Christian" could possibly refuse to serve you. What do you think about the "conscience" clause?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:22 pm 
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Roselyn wrote:
Question: When a church organization advertises computer technology to the public in offering themselves as website builders, etc., do they have a right to refuse anyone? If a physician advertises to the public does he have a right to refuse anyone treatment?

There are so many ways religion can get around the anti-discrimination act. "Conscience" is the current excuse for discrimination. "We don't hire non-Christians". "We are a Christian business". But these want the public to purchase things from them.

According to "conscience", even a resturant claiming it's "Christian" could possibly refuse to serve you. What do you think about the "conscience" clause?


It makes me wander what you would think if a school refused to hire a pedophile to teach our young children. Is that discrimination? If you are allowed to decide who should be
discriminated against, shouldn't everyone have that same right? Or, are you the only
one with a conscience?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Poor attempt at analogy, Clean, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Pedophilia is a criminal offense. Homosexuality is not. Known or convicted pedophiles are not permitted by law to teach young children.

Contrary to the right-wing talking points, gays do NOT "recruit" children to their "lifestyle." There are no laws forbidding gays to teach young children, although I'm sure the fundies would love to see such laws passed. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:40 am 
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Mickey wrote:
Poor attempt at analogy, Clean, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Pedophilia is a criminal offense. Homosexuality is not. Known or convicted pedophiles are not permitted by law to teach young children.

Contrary to the right-wing talking points, gays do NOT "recruit" children to their "lifestyle." There are no laws forbidding gays to teach young children, although I'm sure the fundies would love to see such laws passed. :roll:


Mickey, you have never heard me speak one single words against gays, and you never will.
Go through all my posts if you like....
Don't paint with too broad a brush, my friend.

There are many pedophiles that teach children in school. Most of them have never been
exposed. Some of them go from school to school till they are found out.
I have had a personal experience with one, and he's no longer teaching. But it took ten years to get him out of the public school system.

This guy was a "known" pedophile, but, not a convicted one. He was fired from one school,
but his record did not follow him to the next school. The former school just wanted to get rid of him.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:10 am 
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It makes me wander what you would think if a school refused to hire a pedophile to teach our young children. Is that discrimination? If you are allowed to decide who should be
discriminated against, shouldn't everyone have that same right? Or, are you the only
one with a conscience


This makes me wonder what you would think if a school refused to hire a Christian to teach our young children. Is that discrimination? If you are allowed to decide who should be
discriminated against, shouldn't everyone have that same right? Or, are you the only
one with a conscience

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:05 am 
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Those who compare homosexuals to pedophiles are merely showing that they are ignorant bigots.

Good Christians.

Laughable but sad at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:13 pm 
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Mickey wrote:
Poor attempt at analogy, Clean, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Pedophilia is a criminal offense. Homosexuality is not. Known or convicted pedophiles are not permitted by law to teach young children.

Contrary to the right-wing talking points, gays do NOT "recruit" children to their "lifestyle." There are no laws forbidding gays to teach young children, although I'm sure the fundies would love to see such laws passed. :roll:


You are so right Mickey. It was a bad analogy.
I realize that I offended some folks by my post, and I apologize.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
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Thanks, clean, I appreciate that.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:11 am 
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Instead of starting a whole new thread, I thought I'd post this here as it does seem to be somewhat relevant to the nationwide changes occurring as it pertains to the acceptance of the gay and lesbian population of our society.

The following is an action which the members of the East Iowa Presbytery voted on last night (74/21 in favor) via a counted show of hands. (I and three others actually stood up to make a favorable vote.)

What we voted on was to accept an amendment in the Presbyterian Constitiution concerning those who are called into service as ordained officers, such as deacons, elders, and ministers of the Word and Sacrament.

The pertinent section in the PC(USA) Constitition currently reads:
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"G-6.0106 b. Those who are called to office in the church are to lead a life in obedience to Scripture and in conformity to the historic confessional standards of the church. Among these standards is the requirement to live either in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman (W-4.9001), or chastity in singleness. Persons refusing to repent of any self acknowledged practice which the confessions call sin shall not be ordained and/or installed as deacons, elders, or ministers of the Word and Sacrament."


We voted last night in favor of making the following amendment to this section so it will read:
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"Those who are called to ordained service in the church, by their assent to the constitutional questions for ordination and installation (W-4.4003), pledge themselves to live lives obedient to Jesus Christ the Head of the Church, striving to follow where he leads through the witness of the Scriptures, and to understand the Scriptures through the instruction of the Confessions. In so doing, they declare their fidelity to the standards of the Church. Each governing body charged with examination for ordination and/or installation (G-14.0240 and G-14.0450) establishes the candidate’s sincere efforts to adhere to these standards."

It's gonna take a while before the votes from all PC(USA) General Assemblies are in, but early projections seem to indicate that this particular amendment will become part of the PC(USA) Constitution.

After the tally, I heard someone say: "It's about friggin' time we did the right thing", and there were a lot of nods in that area of the room.

doc ;)

P.S. If anyone is interested, they can go to this link to find the proposed amendment(s).

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's civil rights promises
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:55 am 
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I admire both the result and the courage to effect the result!!! All deserve huge props!!!!!!

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