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Jesus said he's build his church upon Peter - how weird that the church we endure now is founded on Pauline imaginings. Especially since Paul neither saw, met, spoke to, or quotes Jesus.

It's all a massive delusion to deceive the very elect.

I find no cause to blame anyone but those who used his words to live in a barbaric religion.
I find no cause to blame anyone except those that never grew out of their childish concepts of The Divine

"how weird that the church we endure now is founded on Pauling imaginings."

Yeah, it's a weird bunch alright. Espeically since Paul devised a way to make sure Judaism survived. Paul's gospel spoke to the pity party, the Gentiles who had enough sense to realize Judaism had nothing to offer any senseable man. It was tuff going for sure, getting rid of all those Jewish laws and multiple sacrifices throughout the year. But Paul succeeded in not only creating a new religion for Gentiles, he succeeded in freeing the Jewish people from thousands of years in bondage to animal cruelty - via civilized Rome of course.

"Jesus said he built his church upon Peter".. Really? If Peter was Satan, there's more to this story than meets the eye. humm..

If you look at the text..Jesus asked Peter "who do you say that I am?" and Peter answered "you are the Christ ect." Jesus then said that it was revealed from heaven,then he said "upon this rock I will build my church,meaning that a revelation from heaven to believers is what would build his church...he did not mean peter would be the rock.

"meaning that a revelation from heaven to believers is what would build his church...he did not mean peter would be the rock."

Oh yeah? Who says? Only those blinded by the orthodox liars.

Notice the order - Jesus asks, who do folks say that I am. Simon responds blah blah. Jesus responds to the blah blah by saying you are Peter and upon this rock etc.

Now, 'this' must refer to the last object - namely Peter and not the earlier statement of Simon. Otherwise Jesus would have said, "Upon THAT' rock".
But let's face it - who needs truth when there's so much error and confusion.

An excellent observation ccol

I agree with Fritz and NBK. The Rock isn't Peter. It was what Peter understood in who was who. "Thou art the Christ[the anointed], the Son of the Living God." Now, if Peter is portrayed as Satan as Jesus had called him previously at another time, then Satan is next seen putting himself in subjection to the Christ figure Jesus by acknowledging Jesus as the anointed one. With that, it is shown that the kingdom Satan had controled was now taken from him and the anointed of God now sat on the throne - at the right hand of God. "and if I cast out Satan, then the kingdom of God is come unto you".

Jesus ask Peter, who do others say that I am? Peter responds with " some say a prophet", "some say a priest"... then Jesus ask Peter "but who do YOU think I am"? Why was Peter's answer so important? Because Peter was Satan. Earlier in the story Jesus had answered the disciples by saying: "have I not chose twelve and one of you a devil?" I think Peter is implicated as Satan[devil] at least twice in the story.

Since the incident in question likely never happened anyway......who cares?

Yes, it is truly amazing that Christians don't "get" the obvious fact that Paul invented a new religion.

We tend to believe what is convenient and works in our own particular paradigm.

And so it goes.

Well Logos, we are sorta forced to care due to the extreme measures that would be used against us if we did not. We are after all, dealing with a death cult who worships a bloodthirsty god. "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin". The blood of Jesus was not enough to satisfy Christians as our present day circumstances attest. So, we atheists are forced into a position of defending humanity from these death hunters. Who will they target next? Who will they construct lies against in order to bomb and kill? Christians are so into death they don't even care that their own children die in needless wars, and wars that they created. This shows how psychopathic they are.

So, it doesn't matter what we know to be false, what matters is them and their bloodthirsty supernatural myth that endangers us all.

Jesus wasn't referring to Peter but Judas.

Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Jhn 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot [the son] of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

If that is true, that is what is convenient and works in a Christian's particular paradigm effect you? I mean, if you are comfortable with the truth as you see it then why would what someone else believes effect you?

What someone else believes affects me and my personal safety. RW Christians have taken over the Republican party and are nothing but a war mongering death cult. Especially when Christians hate Muslims because Christians believe Jews are supernatural and chosen by a supernatural god and thus make idols of Jews in their mind and heart. Just look at the Christian Right Wing nut cases in America who believe in an Israel first policy and are patriots of Israel moreso and above their own U.S. country. If you want to see idol worship in practice then look and listen to how these RW idiots are ever ready to kill Muslims for the Jews[Israel].

I think the SDA is Right Wing also, and demonize the Muslims in support of the Jews[Israel]. Maybe you'd like to explain your SDA belief RND? Does the SDA still teach the Pope is the anti-Christ?

Well, there is a general danger in thinking.



Jesus Christ is Israel, the modern nation/state of corporate ISRAEL is an invetion of man, tradition and the Balfour document. Also, in that Adventist's are much closer to Muslims in that we do not drink alcohol or eat unclean animals we have much better witness for them than most of Christianity.



Maybe.



No, it is the Bible that teaches us that the Papacy, the Mother of all harlots is antichrist.

NO! the bible DOES NOT teach that the Papacy is the mother of all harlots. The Pope or Papacy wasn't even in existence at the time the book of Revelation spoke of "the Mother of all Harlots" being Israel. She (Israel) is scripted in the old testament as having two harlot daughters, Jerusalem and Samaria. Nothing about Gentiles, or Popes or Papacy. God was dealing with his own people in metaphor at the prophets mouth. Condemnation by the prophets thus went to the mother Israel, the unfaithful wife of God the husband.

The term "anti-Christ" was already used before Gentiles were imposed into the story by Peter and Paul. There were anti-Christ Jews and there were Jews for Jesus. The Pharisees, as exampled, were anti-Christ Jews. The body of Pharisees as anti-Christ was one body of Jewish men against the Christ body of Jewish men. Nothing to do with Gentiles.

Harlots, whores, adulterous wife, anti-Christ Jews, all are in the "record" of Jews and Jewish stories.

"Jesus Christ is Israel".

NO! Sons of Jacob are Israel. Not the land, but the sons. Jesus was believed to be the messiah by some Jews, but not all Jews. And the story is not about Gentiles, the story is about Jews and their infighting, their power plays against one another.