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Oh, I didn't want to forget to tell you guys, because you must have forgotten, that the definition of charity in the Right Wing is Israel. John Hagee, remember the fat little weeble that don't fall down, yeah him, John gave 6 million to Israel. Just gave it to them. In the meanwhile, poor out of work parents in Texas had no food on their table,children going hungry, their homes being foreclosed, their cars repossessed. But Israel was laughing her ass off at such a windfall of stupidity in idol worship of her.

And now the political slim Sarah Palin thinks she deserves some sort of oil pipeline run through her backyard at the expense of all the other states in the union. And... Sarah has yet to apoloogize to Obama for saying he was affilated with terrorists and implying Obama was a bastard because she has never seen his birth certificate, and all the other nasty uncalled for things she threw at him and Hilary, instead of speaking to the important issues. Palin is an Israel first politician which means she will say anything to start a war against Muslims. Sarah is like most in the Right Wing who believe "the Jews"[Israel] are supernatural people. Yep, Sarah believes that a supernatural god just planted the Jews in the middle east while no one was looking. And of course this means that the Jews in Israel are granted special privelege, like taking over the world. Sarah Palin works very hard to keep the Jews on a pedestal and her daughter Krystal as poster child for bastardization of our country. Sarah's family values is Right-Up there with those women in the bible who went a whoring after guys with issues like horses, whatever that means.

You know Logos, I've come to the conclusion that I have completely misunderstood you.

At first, I got the impression that you were one of the typical liberals on this board.
After reading your posts, however, I believe that there's something more.
A few post back you asked, "Do you really think that anyone on this board reads your
spam?"

"Thats typical of what a liberal would say." But, I realized that you didn't mean you don't read it, you meant that you couldn't read it.

I have put some study into this and decided that is why you don't address my posts.
You can't read. Think about it. Why else do you reply with, "Oh Yeah, you....(fill in the blanks) Or, if you do reply, you pick out the simplest sentences and respond to them.

It's not that I'm blaming you. It's not your fault. It must have been a mutated gene or
something. You can't control that, and I sympathize with you. Every family has a "special"
one that they are protective of.

I want to help, is that OK?
What I am going to do is lay off you for a while until you get well..I know that I also
did some name calling myself, and for that I apologize. I just wish that when I came
to this forum someone would have told me. But alas, it's too late to try and undo what's
been done.

Now, I know that you are going to say a bad thing to me or about me. That's OK.
Whatever it takes to get you better, that's the most important thing.

Maybe someone from your support group will also say that I'm a meenie. That's why they
are there. You should nourish your friendship with them. It's not too late, I hope. But,
I want you to know that I'm here for you if you need me.

But, right now I think our discussions will do more harm than good. At least until you
can make some progress. It will be hard, and you'll want to quit....But, don't QUIT!
You have potential. Believe in yourself. That's the most important thing.

Maybe Doc has some special medicine that he can give you.

So please, for your own sake, don't take this personally, I'm only trying to help.

I'm going to go now, and I won't be talking to you anymore for a while. Maybe one of
your friends will let me know how you are doing.

Take care...

clean'

You're an idiot.

And, again.....you changed the subject so you could avoid answering my question.

Pax!

As I have posted before, CS is a cs, and his posts, while delusionly imagining he is writing about others, reveals much about himself. Consider all the mush-mouthed crap he has posted as about himself, not anyone else. You would think an alleged bible-thumper like he proclaims to be might have the intellectual and moral courage to analyze his posts in light of St. Matthew, Chapter 7, Verses 1 through 5. He needs to come to terms with the "beam(some versions say plank)" in his own eye before he addresses the "mote" in anyone else. Until then he remains, as the Bible says, "Thou hypocrite. . . ."

Now he says he is going away. So let's hope he keeps his promise.

This particularly nasty personal attack by CS is a good teaching moment. Clean uses the Bible to attempt to impose "God's will" on other people, such as women who have abortions, yet he obviously doesn't care to obey the Bible himself. How strange.

The Bible commands Christians to walk in the Spirit, NOT in the flesh. Are we to believe the Holy Spirit of God inspired Clean to attack Logos like this, in addition to making a mockery of people who might truly be mentally ill? Naw, it looks to me like Clean's flesh got riled up so he ignored what the Bible says. Maybe the Bible only applies to OTHER people and not to Clean himself?

The Bible also says that anyone who says he loves God yet hates his brother is a liar. Does this post look like Clean loves a fellow Christian named Logos? Or has Clean again exempted himself from the Bible command because HE decided Logos isn't the right kind of Christian to suit his doctrine, and thus it is acceptable to treat Logos with contempt? Just like President Obama isn't the "right kind of Christian" to meet the legalistic doctrines of the fundies?

Clean, if you begin with "Physician, heal thyself" and show people some consistent form of Christianity, perhaps they will start listening to you. Until then, it sure looks like you use the Bible selectively, to impose "God's will" on others while ignoring it as it applies to your own life.

Mickey, I find it odd that someone who stands on the liberal platform has the audacity to lecture
anyone about personal attacks. That is the protocol of the left wing. That is what they do when
someone shines the light on their capers. When someone, anyone threatens their agenda, they
send out the attack dogs, from the White House to the outhouse.

When I post an article, the first thing that people on this forum do is personally attack the author of
the article, rather than the content of the article. You, Mickey, are guilty as well.
"Michelle Malkin is a scumbag" are your words....

Do you think that I am going to post an article from
Salon.com or Huffington Post or some other left wing website? No, I'm not, and I don't expect you
to agree with the article either. What I was expecting was a robust discussion of the article.
But what I get is a personal attack on me and/or an attack on the author.

If you disagree with the article, state your disagreement point by point..
In another article I posted about tricky statistics, you didn't address the issue, you criticized me
for giving the statistics that you didn't agree with....Well, post your own....if you have any...
If I posted an article directly from the Bureau of National Statistics, you wouldn't believe them. So,
it really doesn't matter where I get my information. If someone posts an article that I disagree with,
I respond to the article. Yes, I get angry. I'm not the perfect christian, and I don't always turn the
other cheek.

As far as personal attacks are concerned, I didn't hear a whimper from you about the personal attacks
on me. Actually, those attacks don't bother me. But, what I don't appreciate is that is all some people
know how to do.

Talk is cheap. But, lecturing someone on personal attacks is not very solid ground to stand on when almost
everyone on this board is doing it, including you.

clean'

Most of the other people on this site are not trolling, nor are they using the Bible to browbeat others into submitting to their viewpoint. You are, and that's the difference.

I suppose you've never even noticed the Republican attack dogs, like Palin inciting crowds to threaten death to Senator Obama?

I don't waste my time refuting articles written by idiots. "Robust discussion" of the kind of foolishness coming out of the right is simply not possible and even to attempt it is a waste of time. The right is hysterical over their loss of power, and they are becoming increasingly shrill and irrational. Most people on this site are no interested in discussing such nonsense.

Concerning that baseless claim that Palin incited crowds to threaten
Obama. The Secret Service was there, and they heard no such thing. Another liberal lie.

You've got your mind made up about what is right, and no one is going
to change it....I guess the "open minded, tolerant, enlightened" people on this board don't
need an alternate voice to suggest that what they believe could be wrong.

So, I'm a troll now? Interesting...

Just a couple of posts earlier, you suggested that if I act right, that I may gain a hearing.
Does acting right, as so many others on this board do, make what I say more persuasive?

No, it doesn't. Because I cannot persuade the unpersuadable, no matter who I
am or how nice I am. You are just using that as an excuse. You have a locked tight mind.
You don't want to hear the truth, so you just call it a lie.

Give King Obama a year, then you, me and the rest of America won't even be able to
drink a glass of water without a tax on it. You voted for him and you are really going to
see the "change" that he intended for America.

Maybe you can live with that, but I doubt your grandchildren will be able to..


clean'

Considering how the Religious Right Wing Repugnuts are digging themselves deeper into their shit hole, yes, we'll definetly see more change and for the good intended for America.

You certainly don't practice what your religion in Christ instructs CS. Instead you think you can continue your false accusations against innocent people who have done nothing to harm you. You demonize atheists, democrats, freethinkers, those who also have freedom of speech you try to silence with ancient commandments of law that do not even apply to you yourself, for you state that law is dead to you. Evidently you haven't yet figured out that U.S. laws are not religious laws and they are enacted by the people and militant behavior cannot be tolerated, and whether you like it or not, abortion is legal, homosexuals are getting married and being given equal health care plans, job opportunities, as are other minorities. None of these things should be a bother to you as your Christian belief in its following of Christ places you outside those concerns. Why you insist on jumping into issues that shouldn't concern you is baffling to say the least. I don't think you fully understand your Christianity or your position in that body of Christ. You have an extraordinary amount of hate for non Christians, especially Muslims and Atheists. You want to torture people. And that's your sick and deranged character flaw. I would like for you to tell us just how you would torture a person. I'm atheist, how would you torture me? Break my bones? Scar my flesh? Burn me? Electrocute me? What terrible pain would you like to inflict?

None of the above...I would lock you in a room with Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter for twenty four
hours while I sang all four stanzas of "The Star Spangled Banner".
That should do the trick...


clean'

THAT indeed would be torture. But...knowing me as you do, do you think they'd come out alive?

I dunno, Coulter looks like she might have a pretty good left hook. But the war of
words would be pretty much of a standoff.

clean'

So, you have a thing for Coulter? That figures. She is of course the RW bwitch for Bush.

I bet you, Coulter and Limpbaugh would enjoy physically torturing a Muslim. Or would you prefer a Mexican this week? It seems you can't make up your mind from one week to another. One day its an illegal Mexican, the next an Iraqi or Iranian. Maybe an Arab thrown in every once in a while for good measure and seasoned with Palestinians. But I think the big prize for you would be Obama's head on a platter.

Dream on..

No, I don't want to see Obama's head on a platter. I would like to see his head on a Wanted poster for his
intentional destruction of America.

clean'

Oh brother. Your buddy Bush is the one who belongs on a Wanted poster. Are you really that blind to when the destruction began and whose fault it was? Geesh, no wonder it's impossible to communicate with you.

And how exactly is Obama intentionally destorying America? There wasn't much left of the economy OR the Constitution when he was inaugurated.