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This is becoming an epidemic.......

I wonder what would have happened if some of the congregation had been carrying guns in church. I doubt it would have saved the pastor, but the crazy guy (at least the news is saying he's a crazy guy) would probably be dead instead of wounded and in serious condition. And maybe some other folks shot too.

Today, I heard the shooter had lime disease and his brain was affected. Good enough excuse? Will the church Christians forgive the shooter?

I doubt that members would have shot the shooter had they been carrying weapons. They are not trained in actual taking of life in even a self defense situation or defending another person from harm. It takes some determination to actually pull the trigger and kill someone. I doubt any of those Christians present that day were carrying a simply pocket knife. Or knew how to disable the shooter by actually breaking his neck. Instead a few members received knife wounds from the shooter after his gun jammed and a ruckus started.

Maybe the church should learn through combat training? Do you know how to break a mans neck MB? Would you do it? It's a terrible thing to take a persons life, but when necessary, could you do it?

May God grace all of them.

According to the bible, he will, and with devasting violence.

In the OT, the prophet speaks for God. The prophet makes the judgment that because the Israelites were so offensive in their neglect of Him that He would punish them through their ruthless children. I suppose the same reasoning can be seen in the Christian communities as they allow their unruly children to live. "Children" being the ignorant and stubborn members of their Christianity.

The shooter was evidently one of the children of Christianity and of which the tolerance of his unruly behavior in his past had gone unpunished. Had he been punished then maybe the minister would have had more time on earth. But nowadays in America it is very difficult to discipline the "little" children due to forced tolerance of their bad wicked and evil behavior.

Once society rids itself of these misfit children, the rest of us can breath a sigh of relief. We could call it tough love. What a brilliant idea.

Today in Alabama, a gunman went on a rampage killing spree. Ten reported killed before the gunman killed himself. Another example of unruly children of Christianity. ( I don't think he was an atheist). The police could not take him out with their side-arm and useless pee shooters. The gunman welded a much more powerful weapon. Do police need bazooka's or what? When will the police be trained in military tactics and allowed to kill these misfit children of Christianity?

MB will probably insist that the gunman was an atheist.

Roselyn said:



"Evidently"??? Uh, do you have one shred of evidence that your statement is anything but baseless speculation? Critical thinking skills, Roselyn, are very important.

And another example of an unfounded statement from Roselyn:

Please google "critical thinking skills" and report back to us.

I know, I know... we shouldn't speculate but is my statement unfounded? So.. what are the odds that the gunman was an atheist, or of another religion than Christianity? Maybe he was a Jew but I doubt it. Had he been a Muslim then we would have a 24/7 newscast of his rampage through a few cities of Alabama. Maybe some news reporter will have witnesses as to what a good and decent Christian he was before he went crazy and decided to kill as many people as he could.

In the bible, the term "children" identifies adults, ignorant adults. There are also references to actual children made by Jesus when he compares the ignorance of adults to that of children. The term "unruly" is given in OT for those children of Israel who were stubborn and not honoring their father and mother by being obedient. God commanded these unruly children to be put to death by stoning and all in the community participate in the execution. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of their tolerance in not putting the dishonorable children to death while observing the elders tradition of washing hands. And which Jesus told them that they were "teaching for doctrine the commandments of men" in their tradition of the elders, which was hand washing. God's command to kill unruly children was a commandment as Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees.

Eating with dirty hands was not a sin. Not obeying father and mother was a sin punishable by death, "to keep evil out of Israel".

Christians supposedly follow the teaching of Christ. But they disobey and act like the hypocritical Pharisees. They blame the world for sin and corruption whereas it exists within their own body of members. Exposing their sin in tolerance of their unruly children is "critical examination" of their religion represented by themselves.

Well, since I carry a gun, I'd have just shot him. Breaking a person's neck is NOT easy like they show it on t.v.

In fact, it's pretty rare to see anybody killed like that. Not practical.

This is why I don't go to church anymore. I don't want to have to shoot anybody.

I admit I have been tempted in the past.

And that was just at meetings of the music committee where nobody even tried to shoot the pastor.

It is a sad and disheartening thing that happened. Latest news report said the shooter in Alabama had made a list of people he wanted to pay back. He first killed his mother and set her house on fire, then went to another town and killed his grandmother, uncle and other relatives there, and onward till he had killed more. He carried asault weapons. Police said their own pistols were useless.

Why the preacher in Maryville Ill became a victim is still not disclosed. I suppose police investigators will be left speculating on the shooters motive.

If you're strong enough, breaking someone's neck isn't difficult. Cutting their throat is easier or stabbing them. If someone had used a stun gun it would have stopped him.

It might have helped if the preacher had run like hell instead of playing target.

And none of this deals with the epidemic of handgun shootings in the US because of your outdated insistence on the 2nd amendment.

And you know this how?

I honestly don't know how I would react until I found myself in this situation. Do you think that I don't think it's a terrible thing to take a life? When do you think its necessary? I've noticed you're pretty good at asking questions, but not so good at answering them yourself. Why is that? Hmm?

Yes. Your statement is completely unfounded despite your obviously prejudiced attempt to prove otherwise. Completely and absolutely unfounded.