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My other reply disappeared. But, the U.S. is growing more violent day by day. People are advised to always look over their shoulder in being aware of their surroundings. Hatefilled people kill for no other reason than their hate. Eight and nine year olds are killing innocent people, thinking that they can get by with it because they are underage. Gangs are forming more violence within communities. Law abiding citizens do not feel safe anymore. A lot of police officers are afraid of thugs because thugs can sue when a police officer speaks to them unkindly or makes them lie flat on the ground. The thug believes he has a right to stand and fight. Women officers are especially in danger of being beaten to death. They just can't defend themselves properly anymore in self defense. They must treat the criminal with respect, talk to him sweetly and ask him to surrender.

I support the 2nd, due to self preservation.

"And you know this how"? Military training.

MB, Didn't you say you are not a gun owner?

"When do you think its necessary to take a life?" When a MF SOB is threatening to take my life. I value my life more than his. I would kill in self defense. It would be a terrible thing to have to do - but I can do it if neccessary. So can my neighbors, friends and associates. All gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters who value their own and their families lives more than criminals who would harm or murder them.

I respect the right to own firearms, but I don't own one. Have you ever shot someone, Ros? You seem to think you're an expert on the subject.

MB, have you ever tried to harm, injure or murder someone? You seem to think differently than experienced people on the subject. Do you think your nightly news is exaggerating the problem that you are faced with? How do you support your local police officers? Do you tie their hands so they cannot effectively protect you?

So, it's just as I suspected. You've been caught ponificating about something you don't really know too much about and fill in the gaps by jumping to conclusion. Right?

You so funny MB. Why don't you answer questions instead of sidetracking? humm???

All right. I'll answer your questions even though I don't think they have real bearing on our conversation. It remains to be seen whether you can reciprocate by answering my questions.

You asked... "MB, have you ever tried to harm, injure or murder someone?"

I've only gotten into fights with my brothers when I was kid. I've never had any physical altercation with anyone since then. Since I was a kid, I've never tried to harm, injure, or murder someone.

"You seem to think differently than experienced people on the subject."

Perhaps, but you haven't done anything to establish the fact that you have any experience on the subject. You just offer your opinions. Same as me.

Do you think your nightly news is exaggerating the problem that you are faced with?

I hardly ever watch the nightly news. They are bunch of pimps who sell fear in order to gain advertising revenue. Most of my news comes from the media pimps on the internet. And yes, sometimes, I do think they do exaggerate problems -- although I'm not quite sure what problem you mean.

How do you support your local police officers?

I pay my taxes. I obey the law. I respect their authority and their positions whenever I come in contact with them. I'm polite and I never, ever argue with them. Their job is difficult enough without having to deal with overly sensitive citizens who get their feelings hurt.

Do you tie their hands so they cannot effectively protect you?

Nope. I don't.

Pretty good answers MB. But I think you should watch your nightly local news to stay abreast of what's happening around you. For instance, in my area the rate of criminal offense is rising. A report of murder is almost a daily occurance. Police are in fear of these assholes and rightly so, for if the police officer should give to much force in capturing and detaining the criminal then he/she could be brought up on charges of civil rights violations or somesuch. They must treat the criminal with kid gloves, so to speak, and the criminal knows this. Police are spat on, cursed with every filthy vulgar obsenity imaginable and expected to just take it. Even in lockup criminals can physically harm officers and get by with it. Teens and younger children are being inituated for crime with the idea that underaged kids won't be prosecuted much if at all. This presents a new danger for police and citizens. Citizens are buying more guns to protect themselves due to an increase in home breakins. Having a gun in the home is one thing but actually using it to kill an intruder is another. But this is what's happening due to fear of citizens being hurt or killed themselves. Does it matter if the criminal is adult or underaged? Not likely. Who is about to take the time to ask questions? Personally, if the idiot enters my home I'll defend myself with whatever weapon available.

NO MB, I have never shot anyone or killed anyone. I hope I never have to do that. But I know how to use a gun and how to kill without using a gun. I know how to be observant and not a twiddle who can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak. And FYI MB, there are no "experts" on the subject of personal safety. Everyone is vunerable but everyone need not remain ignorant of the facts. People will kill you given the opportunity, so don't give them the opportunity.

Ros, I stay abreast of things without the nightly news. Those pimps only tell you what they want you to know. If you "stay abreast" by relying upon the nightly news, you're falling behind. (That may explain a lot.)

"(That may explain alot)"

There you go again MB. Just can't avoid those little snipper attacks can you? But I realize you're not a well balanced individual and why I suggested you stay abreast of the criminal activity in your own back yard by watching your local news. Do you at least lock your doors at night?

Ros, I don't understand, believing as you do, why you don't get a permit to carry?

Like, put up or shut up.

I keep up with local news, but I don't need the TV pimps to do it. Yes, I lock my doors at night. I also have dogs that would make noise if someone broke in. As I said, I'm not against people owning guns, I just don't have the need or the desire to have one. I don't hunt, and I'm not interested in shooting at targets. I feel safe enough in my home and where I usually travel without one. I really don't have a need to venture into areas of my local community where a gun for protection might be a comfort.

As for the attacks, I don't think you have the high ground on that issue, Ros.

"As for the attacks, I don't think you have the high ground on that issue, Ros." So...you get a point on that MB. Sometimes I can be just as obnoxious as you.

Good, you lock your doors at night. That's another point you get for being cautious. You don't hunt? Not into target practice? No points for your lack of a hobby/sport.

Like you, I feel comfortable in my home with dogs which bark their alarm. However, my dogs have been known, even recently, to bark at butterflys and bees. So I can't always trust them completely. They are outside dogs and their barking is different in the way they react to butterflys and bees and strangers and relatives, friends and neighbors. They also howl with the coyotes so I know they are in tune with the CSX train schedule. :LOL: Do you think they are reverting to their basic animalistic instinct in relation to their friends canine?

Also, like you, I don't venture into high risk areas or any risk areas I think are risky. Even when shopping at Walmart I park in highly visible areas, carry my weapon(which I will not disclose what it is), and keep an eye on people around me. I especially keep an eye on those Walmart Greeters as they are prone to pounce into customers face with " I need to see your ticket." I consider these Greeters part of a mafia crowd or something. They can get by with just about anything from body search to shaking down customers to pay before leaving. I've noticed that people fear the Walmart Greeters. And rightly so, for they are mostly the elderly. So if they should kick your butt on the way out, whatchagonnadoaboutit? huh??? Now you know why Walmart specializes in grandma and grandpa attire.

Do you shop at walmart MB?

Well well... so where have you been Logos? You know we didn't give you pernission to just walk off. You need a permit from Mickey or Doc at least. And...how do you know that I don't have a permit to carry?

pssst... I have hunting and fishing license in case you're interested. I also have permits to park and swim in designated areas, even to fly a kite. But motor sports are not allowed, so we now "hoover-round" and try to run down the grandkids.

Ros, if you had a carry permit, you'd have told us long ago.

I think what you mostly shoot off is your mouth. Why don't you give the details of your military firearms training? Where did it take place? When did it take place? How long did it go on? Which weapons did you handle? What tactics were you taught?

I don't think you'd be able to qualify for a concealed carry permit.

Personally, I don't think anybody would trust you with any weapon more lethal than an emoticon.