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"My Lord in Heaven how you all need prayer. I pray that God open your eyes to the evil, unGodly spirit you display with your "Oh, Lord, I thank you I am not like that tax collector" attitudes. So sad you are."

Hmmm, wonder why we would take offense at that?

He Administrates Faith and Fellowship forum. They are a bunch of "Word of Faith" type Christians, hence the name "WOFman". They like preachers and teachers the likes of Kenneth Copeland, Oral Roberts, Charles Capps, Kenneth Hagin, etc.

I find that I agree with the basic premise of WOF now-a-days except I think that the pure occult version is more potent, accurate and honest. It is known as "the law of attraction" and is akin to the true alchemy of physical, mental and spiritual transmutation. "as above in spirit so below in matter" or "as within so without" or as Jesus said "as a man thinks so is he" and the Buddha "all is mind".

Tho WoFers just grease the occult doctrines up with a bunch of Christian-ese. But Jesus knew the law of attraction and taught it and this is where the WoFers get their tip, but they prostitute it and make it conditional on giving money to the preacher man.

I honestly do wonder why you would banish me for such a post, but it's your sandbox, of course. You can come over here and be offensive in a cute way that makes you feel better about putting someone down, but when someone goes over there with an honest observation, you are offended. I guess the proverb is true: "A prophet has no honor in his own country." You really are a sad little Christian WOFman.

Woof Woof..

Now why was I thinking wolfman? Musta been that scary horror movie about this young man in England who turns into a werewolf. Love those makeup artists.

Thanks Jedi. Woofer just told me to "nevermind".

Well, I thank my lucky charms that I'm not a sinner. I discovered this amazing fact after reading the bible. However, I have been known in times past to collect taxes. I'm now retired from that paper trail and good riddance. 'bout drove me nuts just itemizing itemizing itemizing. Not to mention qualifying qualifying qualifying. If you had made a visit to our local IRS office, you'd quickly discover why those people are not normal. I actually got people refunds and exposed loopholes and encouraged people to pay less taxes. It was fun while it lasted but I don't think they'll miss me since I'm gone.

So Woofer, tell me why you think you're a sinner? What evil have you done?

And why won't you allow MB to post on your Woofer forum? Sounds like you're guilty of the same sin as the Pharisees ... so let me remind you of what Jesus said to those evildoers.

"But woe to you, Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for ye neither go in yourselves, neither permit them that are entering to go in."

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

And I probably should also remind you that Jesus said you should always be ready with an answer as to the why of your faith. However, since you're a hypocrit and preventing MB from entering your forum to discuss the things of Christ or Christianity, you'll more than likely be cast into hell to burn forever. That's where hypocrites go you know - HELL.

A friend of mine kept telling me that I needed to read "The Secret." Said that the principles in there changed her life. Well, I browsed it recently and realized that WOF theology is really that- packaged with a deity. I went back to her and told her I've been there-done that.

I remember spending so much time and energy trying to prove that WOF theology was non-biblical. I should have just accepted that the principles are really pretty good principles to live by (biblical or not).

If you think about it, the WOF redefines God/Bible/etc. to a pretty acceptable form for 21st Century seeker. Their god looks nothing like Elohim/Yahweh of the Bible and their Bible is really a very small subset of what is actually there (they have to throw out about 90% in order to keep their beliefs intact). However, those views of god and ancient superstitious laws/etc. need to be thrown out.

Bottom line, they should just use "The Secret" (and related books) as their Bible and they wouldn't have to jump through so many hoops to prove what their saying from a book that pretty much flies in the face of their beliefs.

It's also ok to redefine god as a loving/compassionate/kind/merciful father in heaven vs. how he's portrayed in the Bible. Who wants to serve a God who killed babies/children/animals/the elderly etc. for sport?

Paul

How did they continue to bamboozle a smart guy like you for so many years, anyhow???

Hard to believe, isn't it?

Pax!

Paul,
WoF really is just occult doctrine dressed up in Christian clothes. It is theosophy, pure and simple. Well, maybe not so pure. I believe in it from a Buddhist perspective, "Mind is all."

Actually, many of the principles the WOF subscribe to makes sense hence my willingness be "bamboozled. The true waste of my energy and my time was arguing against them from a "Biblical" perspective vs. just accepting what I liked and realizing that whether it was Biblical or not was irrelevant.

Sounds as though you have rejected the Bible and hung onto the WOF doctrine.

That could be an interesting discussion.

Can you explain?

Pax!

Logos,

I was simply stating that WOF doctrine is not Biblical but it's really irrelevant since there are many good principles there.

Re: Bible - yes, I did discover that the God I believed in and the God of the Bible didn't mesh. What is strange is that I thought I was getting the definition of God from the Bible but it was really only very select verses. A true "read the Bible for what it says" exercise would show that God is anything but a loving, compassionate, father figure.

Here's Dawkins definition of Elohim/Yahweh as described in the Bible:



Pretty accurate actually. That was not the God I believed in hence I was faced with either accepting the Bible as the accurate description of God (and believe God was all of the above) or accept it as just an ancient peoples' definition of God. I chose the latter.

Paul

I always wondered why the Hebrew prophets hated other people so fiercely that they were compelled to write their hatred in the name of a god. How were they persecuted any more than any other people? Or what made them think they should be exalted more than any other people? All I can figure is that those men sure had a deluded high opinion of themselves.

Logos,

I was simply stating that WOF doctrine is not Biblical but it's really irrelevant since there are many good principles there.

Logos says:

You should tell us of the many good principles of WOF......offhand, I can't think of any. I view it as dishonest and destructive.

Re: Bible - yes, I did discover that the God I believed in and the God of the Bible didn't mesh. What is strange is that I thought I was getting the definition of God from the Bible but it was really only very select verses. A true "read the Bible for what it says" exercise would show that God is anything but a loving, compassionate, father figure.

Logos says:

Doesn't the Bible simply show two Gods? When you consider the thrust of the NT, the loving God comes through quite clearly.

Here's Dawkins definition of Elohim/Yahweh as described in the Bible:



Pretty accurate actually. That was not the God I believed in hence I was faced with either accepting the Bible as the accurate description of God (and believe God was all of the above) or accept it as just an ancient peoples' definition of God. I chose the latter.

Great hyperbole and vocabulary......but that's all.

Dawkins concentrates totally on the negative version of God laid out in the OT and ignores the more loving version that comes through both there and especially in the NT.

I don't have much respect for Dawkins......he profits from fear and hate just as much as the WOFFers do. They are quite similar.

Pax!