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Mickey
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Post subject: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:09 pm |
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Excerpts from an LA Times article, Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining: Quote: Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining Superstar atheists are motivated by anger -- and boohoo victimhood.
By Charlotte Allen
May 17, 2009
I can't stand atheists -- but it's not because they don't believe in God. It's because they're crashing bores.
Other people, most recently the British cultural critic Terry Eagleton in his new book, "Faith, Reason, and Revolution," take to task such superstar nonbelievers as Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins ("The God Delusion") and political journalist Christopher Hitchens ("God Is Not Great") for indulging in a philosophically primitive opposition of faith and reason that assumes that if science can't prove something, it doesn't exist.
My problem with atheists is their tiresome -- and way old -- insistence that they are being oppressed and their fixation with the fine points of Christianity. What -- did their Sunday school teachers flog their behinds with a Bible when they were kids?
Read Dawkins, or Hitchens, or the works of fellow atheists Sam Harris ("The End of Faith") and Daniel Dennett ("Breaking the Spell"), or visit an atheist website or blog (there are zillions of them, bearing such titles as "God Is for Suckers," "God Is Imaginary" and "God Is Pretend"), and your eyes will glaze over as you peruse -- again and again -- the obsessively tiny range of topics around which atheists circle like water in a drain.
First off, there's atheist victimology: Boohoo, everybody hates us 'cuz we don't believe in God. Although a recent Pew Forum survey on religion found that 16% of Americans describe themselves as religiously unaffiliated, only 1.6% call themselves atheists, with another 2.4% weighing in as agnostics (a group despised as wishy-washy by atheists). You or I might attribute the low numbers to atheists' failure to win converts to their unbelief, but atheists say the problem is persecution so relentless that it drives tens of millions of God-deniers into a closet of feigned faith, like gays before Stonewall. .........
Maybe atheists wouldn't be so unpopular if they stopped beating the drum until the hide splits on their second-favorite topic: How stupid people are who believe in God. This is a favorite Dawkins theme. In a recent interview with Trina Hoaks, the atheist blogger for the Examiner.com website, Dawkins described religious believers as follows: "They feel uneducated, which they are; often rather stupid, which they are; inferior, which they are; and paranoid about pointy-headed intellectuals from the East Coast looking down on them, which, with some justification, they do." Thanks, Richard! .........
Myers' blog exemplifies atheists' frenzied fascination with Christianity and the Bible. Atheist website after atheist website insists that Jesus either didn't exist or "was a jerk" (in the words of one blogger) because he didn't eliminate smallpox or world poverty. At the American Atheists website, a writer complains that God "set up" Adam and Eve, knowing in advance that they would eat the forbidden fruit. A blogger on A Is for Atheist has been going through the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse in order to prove its "insanity" (he or she had gotten up to the Book of Joshua when I last looked)............
The problem with atheists -- and what makes them such excruciating snoozes -- is that few of them are interested in making serious metaphysical or epistemological arguments against God's existence, or in taking on the serious arguments that theologians have made attempting to reconcile, say, God's omniscience with free will or God's goodness with human suffering. Atheists seem to assume that the whole idea of God is a ridiculous absurdity, the "flying spaghetti monster" of atheists' typically lame jokes. They think that lobbing a few Gaza-style rockets accusing God of failing to create a world more to their liking ("If there's a God, why aren't I rich?" "If there's a God, why didn't he give me two heads so I could sleep with one head while I get some work done with the other?") will suffice to knock down the entire edifice of belief.
What primarily seems to motivate atheists isn't rationalism but anger -- anger that the world isn't perfect, that someone forced them to go to church as children, that the Bible contains apparent contradictions, that human beings can be hypocrites and commit crimes in the name of faith. The vitriol is extraordinary. Hitchens thinks that "religion spoils everything." Dawkins contends that raising one's offspring in one's religion constitutes child abuse. Harris argues that it "may be ethical to kill people" on the basis of their beliefs. ........... The entire article is interesting. Comments?
_________________ Oops. My Karma ran over your Dogma.
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MessengerBoy
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:38 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:56 pm Posts: 258 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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I agree that it's interesting. Not all atheists are like this, but some are. Those folks are not that different than the similarly situated theists they feel threatened by.
_________________ "For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?" - Augustine
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anotherperson
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:52 pm |
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Joined: Sat May 09, 2009 8:32 am Posts: 7
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[quote]I can't stand atheists-- but it's not because they don't believe in God. It's because they're crashing bores [quote]
Maybe that's why God made hell, not because atheists don't believe but because they're crashing bores.
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Roselyn
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:18 pm |
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Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:57 am Posts: 1558
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Hush hush sweet Charlotte... Sweet lil Charlotte is just another douchbag who hates atheists having the right of free speech. She hates it when her God is critically examined in best selling books, historical films, and forums on the internet. Charlotte most probably hasn't the skill to debate the likes of Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens. "Atheist victimology"? Haven't heard that one before. But it's funny nonetheless. Seems Charlotte has a wild imagination planted by those who taught her to hate atheists "because they're crashing bores". What the heck does that mean? What are atheists supposed to be crashing? Maybe her little world of supernatural entities and heroic bible supermen characters? I do hope Charlotte posts the story about Ezekiel and his firey flying chariot. I always thought the tales of Ezekiel were some of the best from those imaginative Jewish writers. Is the idea of "God" a ridiculous absurdity? Not to lil Charlotte. Although she failed to mention which God she has put on the pedestal of her worship. I'm sure if Charlotte would be a little more percise in her idealized God it would help us atheists perform a better and more complete biopsy. Atheists win converts? Now, that is ridiculously absurd. As the term relates to religion, just what religion would Charlotte think atheists would convert people to? As atheism is not a religion, Charlotte must be assuming the same rectoric as her uneducated Christian teachers, unless lil Charlotte is coming up with this stuff from her own imaginative thinking. Charlotte can't stand atheists, but it's not because atheists don't believe in her God.. It's simply because lil Charlotte hates whoever she wants whenever she wants and sticks out her tongue when angry and speaks childish things.. Hush hush sweet Charlotte... 
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Clean Sword
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:47 am |
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I can't say that I'm on the same page with Charlotte...nor do I think that she speaks for most christians...certainly, not for me...
clean'
_________________ The Main thing is to Keep the main thing the Main Thing....
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NBK
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:06 am |
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Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:57 pm Posts: 174 Location: Botswana
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Fundamentalism is a human condition. Crashing bore is also a human condition. Beating people over the head with your "great idea" is also typically human... oh well, where would forums be with out us?
_________________ What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain? Same thing we do every night Pinky, try to take over the world!
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Roselyn
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:29 am |
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Charlotte is like most Christians who don't want their comfort zone in Jesus/God disturbed. I remember being that way myself. Anytime someone would point out inconsistencies or just plain superstition then I would try and defend those things. I began writing down all the stuff I could no longer defend and dug deeper into the arguments given me. Eventually I had no choice but to trash the whole bible and its creation theory.
Many Jewish people don't want their comfort zone disturbed either. They have enjoyed and still enjoy being idols on the pedestal of superstitous Christians. But many Jewish people who made it through the Halocaust don't any longer hold a belief in a man to rescue them, a messiah, and certainly not a god whom they'd been taught all their lives was more powerful than any man. Torture has a way of bringing one into reality of man's being alone and dependent on other men to show mercy.
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Roselyn
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:08 am |
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NBK wrote: Fundamentalism is a human condition. Crashing bore is also a human condition. Beating people over the head with your "great idea" is also typically human... oh well, where would forums be with out us? Fundamentalism is a Right Wing conditioned and orchestrated group of man haters, war mongers, and seen in their reconstructionist party of dominionist think-tanks who raped the Republican party of its identity. Theirs is not an overall representation of the human conditioning. Crashing bores are Christians who insist non Christians are guilty of theft, adultery, fornication, lying, murder, killings, coveting, etc., without any proof. You've been absent for awhile NBK. Did you enjoy your sanity while gone? 
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MessengerBoy
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:44 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:56 pm Posts: 258 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Roselyn wrote: Fundamentalism is a Right Wing conditioned and orchestrated group of man haters, war mongers, and seen in their reconstructionist party of dominionist think-tanks who raped the Republican party of its identity. Theirs is not an overall representation of the human conditioning. I assume you mean fundamentalist Christians, Ros. Not fundamentalists of other religions, right? Quote: Crashing bores are Christians who insist non Christians are guilty of theft, adultery, fornication, lying, murder, killings, coveting, etc., without any proof. Sometimes they are guilty, Ros. In my opinion, guilt is an individual thing, not a corporate thing. In other words, I don't think all the members of a certain group or class can be said to be guilty of a crime. The individual members of the group or class can certainly be, but to convict all the members of a nation, a religion, a non-religion, a company, an industry, a gender, a race, etc. is just someone trying to sell something. That's the way I see it, anyway.
_________________ "For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?" - Augustine
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The Real Logos
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:11 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:44 am Posts: 1361 Location: Member #240 in the Foothills of the Spice-laden Mountains.
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Quote: I assume you mean fundamentalist Christians, Ros. Not fundamentalists of other religions, right? The Christians have pretty much stolen the spotlight in destructive fundamentalism. They currently oppress and murder and steal at will through American Imperialism and enthusiastically conspire in genocide through their support of Zionism. No other religion even comes close in the murderous destruction of cultures and individuals for profit. Pax! 
_________________ The fate of the country does not depend on how you vote. The worst man is as strong as the best at that game.....it depends instead on what kind of man you drop from your chamber into the street every morning. -- Henry David Thoreau
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MessengerBoy
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:57 am |
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The Real Logos wrote: Quote: I assume you mean fundamentalist Christians, Ros. Not fundamentalists of other religions, right? The Christians have pretty much stolen the spotlight in destructive fundamentalism. They currently oppress and murder and steal at will through American Imperialism and enthusiastically conspire in genocide through their support of Zionism. No other religion even comes close in the murderous destruction of cultures and individuals for profit. Pax!  Logos, you live in a strange little world you and others like you have created to make yourselves feel important or more enlightened than the average person. (This is what makes you exactly like the Christians you love to rail against.) You need to broaden your horizons, Logos. You focus too much on your own perceptions of life in the United States. I encourage you to use the intellect you apparently possess and think, man, think!
_________________ "For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?" - Augustine
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Roselyn
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Post subject: Re: "Atheists: No God, no reason, just whining" Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:11 pm |
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MessengerBoy wrote: Roselyn wrote: Fundamentalism is a Right Wing conditioned and orchestrated group of man haters, war mongers, and seen in their reconstructionist party of dominionist think-tanks who raped the Republican party of its identity. Theirs is not an overall representation of the human conditioning. I assume you mean fundamentalist Christians, Ros. Not fundamentalists of other religions, right? Quote: Crashing bores are Christians who insist non Christians are guilty of theft, adultery, fornication, lying, murder, killings, coveting, etc., without any proof. Sometimes they are guilty, Ros. In my opinion, guilt is an individual thing, not a corporate thing. In other words, I don't think all the members of a certain group or class can be said to be guilty of a crime. The individual members of the group or class can certainly be, but to convict all the members of a nation, a religion, a non-religion, a company, an industry, a gender, a race, etc. is just someone trying to sell something. That's the way I see it, anyway. Here's my opinion as I see things today: There was the Ku Klux Klan identity in name, and members who wanted to distance themselves from that "type" and found a new niche, a new avenue to their white power, and it evolved into the Religious Right that evolved into the Right Wing Fundamentalists and these did a takeover of the Republican party. It's no secret what the RW wants, everybody knows it, and they admit it themselves. RW Fundamentalists are the Republicans with a few Democrats thrown in for good measure. These are a group/party with a unified bonding. They are Klan without the hoods. They are made up of white power enthusiasts and believe in a reconstructionist/dominionist doctrine. They admit that they want total control of government, congress and senate and supreme court, and so that their religion can rule, " back to the bible". They preach hatred and intolerance through coded sermons and political speech. Are you familiar and knowledgeable about these white supremists? Many are wealthy, pious, and hate poor people and use the poor and uneducated as pawns in their self serving agendas. Their churches are nothing more than gathering places for hate propaganda. They love war and death. They love guns and pump themselves up at rallies and talk about revolution against the government, and they are big time attendee's at gun shows, gun swaps, and speak that "somebody ought to do something" about the government, in their bravado. They are serious pissers, dangerous, and intend to rid the United States of liberals, atheists, homosexuals, abortionists, and whoever else is or might be placed on their list for "extermination". Lyndon Johnson once said during the Civil Rights movement, that he had fought the Klan all his life. Why? Because they kill people whom they see as inferior to themselves. Whereas the RW is a corporate body of people bonded together for the same cause, their guilt is not individual but unified in membership. They should not be allowed to get by with criminal activity by pleading an individual independence, for clearly that is not the evidence.
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